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History
Last 2015, I was able to finish my Bachelor’s Degree in Computer Engineering. The very reason I took up this course is because of the following causes, first, my NCAE results stated that my capabilities suits to enroll in an engineering course, and lastly, the year 2010 is the dawn of the computer technologies era (the truth is, I am really addicted to computers that time).
Like any other engineering degrees, the struggle is real. I wasn’t able to finish my degree within 5 years. I faced a lot of challenges, and “Fail” grades. Yet, I was so grateful then, I bagged the “Researcher of the Year Award”. I have learned so many ideas and I gained more knowledge about the former and latest technology. I would say that after graduation, I’ve been fully equipped with wisdom that I could use to pursue my career.
I was a graphic designer before I was able to work at my aunt’s, in the local government. My job there was data encoder. Basic job for entry level individual. Yet, sooner, I realized that it was not my dream job. I learned to perform computer programming, design information systems, design computer networks using cisco technologies just to do basic Word and Excel jobs? During my apprenticeship, I secretly apply for job in Pampanga that suits my skills.
Unfortunately, there’s no luck at all. I ended up working in the Local Government Unit (LGU) where I currently live. I never dreamt of working in the LGU because of undesirable rumors that surrounds it. But I had no choice. I need to find a job as soon as possible. So, I applied for a job, and for 2 years, I was a contractual employee.
The Issue
And it is where I fully understand what being a professional means. I’ve been working at the city engineering office together with other civil engineers and electrical engineers. Whenever we do technical and administrative reports (with signatories), they always remind to add “ENGR’ title before my name.
As for me, insecure “professionals / non-professionals” are those demeaning someone’s profession. Does it mean that if you are not under the jurisdiction of the Professional Regulation Commission (PRC), you aren’t professional at all? Is there any law pertaining to the use of the title “ENGR”?
Let us review the RA 9292’s Article 1, Section 3. B, C, D and E. According to Electronics and Communication Engineering Act of the Philippines, registered, licensed and qualified Electronics Engineer should affix ECE (not use the title ENGR). Like any other engineering laws, the title ENGR is not a major concern. (Lawyers aren’t under PRC, so do not try to compare it with the issue)
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Conclusion
Fellow computer engineer professionals who are experiencing humiliation from other professions, do not be intimidated by them. Computer Engineering fresh graduates, do not get confused by the issue. I encourage every one of you to use it.
My professional friends, review your constitution before embarrassing other profession. Do not claim superior if you have board exam. Having one does not mean you are a professional at all.
My colleagues, if they try to devalue us, they are professionally unprofessional. Remember, being professional is not humiliating someone’s profession.
Addition
I am so humbled to have a great environment where I presently work. They encourage me to do so and let me upgrade my capabilities. Moreover, it is your discretion to add the title before your name. For me, calling me Sir will do.
I respect all engineering fields. We are all needed for the growth of our nation.
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Correction RA 9292 is “Electronics Engineering Act of 2004” nirepeal nito ang “Electronics and Communication Engineering Act” or RA 5734. And as per RA 9292, “Electronics Engineer – a person who is qualified to hold himself/herself out as a duly registered/licensed Electronics Engineer under this Act and to affix to his/her name the letters “ECE”” ibig sabihin ECE graduates are not allowed to use Engr or add ECE unto their names until they passed the licensure examination. That it why many find it unfair that CpE can use the title Engineer easily.
I’m still learning from you, as I’m trying to reach my goals. I certainly enjoy reading everything that is posted on your site.Keep the stories coming. I loved it!
I finished BSCpE, Computer Engineering. Currently working as a Software Engineer here in Makati. My tip for all aspiring CpEs out there is you must collect as many certifications as you can before and after you graduate. Employers tend to check it more based on my experience. Stay humble, Computer Engineering is a broad field. You can pursue Network, Hardware or Software Engineering, just follow your passion. Don’t be degraded, let them say what they want. Pursue Software developing if coding is your passion. Remember at work, title doesn’t matter, attitude does. Also i don’t often put Engr title before my name, i mainly use CpE. Anyway, you may use it as long as your job requires you to.
I’ve read the comments and I think something is not right.
Why do you, engineers, bring down other engineers knowing how hard it is to be an engineer. Stop degrading other engineers, real professionals does’nt involve themselves in childish argument. It makes me think that you are insecure, so what if they does’nt have a board exam because of some acceptable reasons. If there is a board exam for them, be chill, they won’t run from it. To be real, engineers and other professionals are using the CoE programs and tools that they’ve invented. Think of it, if not because of them ask yourself if mapapadali ang mga trabaho niyo. Stop arguing guys, learn to accept because like the cliche proverbs “no man is an island.”
Thanks for dropping by!
Hello, Engr. Oscar.
I finished BS Industrial Engineering and MS Management Engineering, I’ve been in the industry for a year with tasks ranging from processes and projects (Process Engineer) and 2 years in the academe.
When I was finishing the IE program, my Instructor in Engineering Ethics explain that it is unethical to use Engr. as a prefix. Though, I understand that IE and CpE are labelled and discriminated due to no licensure examination from the PRC, I think CpE after your name is fine as long as no law would prohibits. Even when I was teaching, I will use the initial “IE” after my name and the initials for my master’s degree “MSManE”. I agree to others that it is a norm to us Filipinos to brag our achievement.
In the advent of internationalization, I think it does not stop to acquiring PRC License as there are Associate ASEAN Engineer, ASEAN Engineer, APEC Engineers and other Engineering titles that may be acquired. Because getting that title can be useful to ASEAN Countries or APEC Countries.
I’m also hoping that the Engineering Profession in the Philippines will be standardized and all Engineering disciplines are included and won’t be left out. I’m hopeful that the Philippine Technological Council will start rolling out the Philippine National Engineering Registry.
That’s nice to know Sir. We are on the same page regarding the standardization. On the other hand, I use title as we/I prepare documents. Anyways Sometime I used to place CpE and MEnM after my surname.
Engineer oscar, kahit po ba walang board exam at licensed na hawak. Ang cpe graduate pd maglagay na engr bgo ang name nila.
Yes, I’m encouraging everyone po.
I don’t have against using the title engineer but i guess working on the “engineering” field should at least be the requirement so you can brag the hell out of them. 🙂 chill!!! 😎
I graduated CompE in 1995. My first job was as a Production Supervisor in a manufacturing plant. A lot of us who are engineering graduates were hired for that position. Some are ECE, ME, ChE, IE. None of us use a prefix Engr. even those who are licensed by PRC because technically we are not using the Engineering Profession. I then went to Singapore and became a Computer Programmer. 3 years later I got a job in the US as a Programmer. I have friends who are licensed engineers who find it difficult to find a job in their field because their Phil license is not recognized by the US. I have since earned other certifications in order to be competitive here. I only put Engr to my name when I send a Christmas card to my parents to boost their ego lol.
Good luck.
One of the country that few engineering course dons’t have an exam (PRC) is the Philippines. Other country has their own professional licensees for specific field (ENGINEER), Ex: dto sa middle east especially Saudi Arabia they have their own licensure, SCE = SAUDI COUNCIL of ENGINEER, and i’m a Professional Computer Engineer License Holder here. One of my friend is in Dubai and they have also they own, while others like Japan has also. The problem is ang mind send kc ng iilang filipino eh kpag d ka ng prc like teacher or bar like abogado it means your not professional.
Hello Engr. Ryan, how to can we get license in Saudi Arabia, what are the requirements? Thank you Engr for the sharing your thoughts and inputs dito sa blog. Engr. Tumang is the current R3 President.
title is earned. hayaaan mo yung iba tumawag sayo nun or tell you to affix it in your name like the story of this author. agree ako cpe is engineer. those don’t then don’t use it yourself. hi Lei.
I’m a 5th year Computer Engineering Student and hoping na gagradute next year May 2020. I understand kung bakit marami sa atin gusto talaga maglagay ng Engr. sa pangalan kasi diba maraming fields ang computer engineering: Software, Hardware, Network, Designing, at kung ano ano pa na unlike sa ibang engineering courses ay nagfofocus lang sa iisang strand. Para sakin ahh, feeling ko nga pag nag CPE ka para ka na ring nag scientist, kasi yung Thesis niyo is more on experimenting or inventing na mga devices na gagawin niyo. Sa experience ko kasi, gumagawa kami ngayon ng device na experimental, yun yung ginagawa namin sa Thesis namin. Hindi po sa pagmamayabang sa ibang course pero, sa pagkakaalam ko lang po na may mga subject din kasi sa mga ibang engineering courses na meron din sa CpE, pero may mga subject sa CpE na wala sa iiba, siguro dulot din to na lahat ng engineering course is gumagamit rin ng computer, or dulot din sa masyadong malawak ang course natin. For Example: kung more on electricity sa Electrical Engineering, meron din niyan sa CpE, pero may mga pagkakaiba rin naman.
Kaya ayun yung nakikita kong dahilan kung bakit maraming Comp Engineering graduates ang gustong maglagay ng Engr. sa pangalan.
Pero sad to say, may mga sinasabi sakin yung mga prof ko at iba pang CoE graduates na hindi talaga marerecognize as engr talaga. Hindi talaga magagamit yung title na Engr.
Yun lang po nakikinig lang po ako sa mga advices ng iba, wala pa kasi ako sa mismong field na pagtratrabaho, dun ko palang malalaman yung about sa ganyan
Hi, we graduated college in the same year… I am somehow not confident of using the title because I am not currently working in the field where I am supposed to be. as of now, I am working as school registrar. And Im kinda shy to use it.
I encourage you to use it.
Hahaha. Ang tagal hindi p prc mag magbibigay. Saka na ako pag PRC n nag bigay. Nakakaawa. Para ng nagmamakaawa. 😁😁😁😁
wala na kayong magagawa. Magkaka board na din kami.
Bow down bitches na nagsasabing we are Instant Engineers. Step back, tingnan nyo kung paano namin paghaharian ang engineering community
#CpeCertificationisReal
Computer engineering graduate ako na feel ko gaano kahirap sa trabaho lalong lalo may mkasabay ka na may hawak na PRC license hirap mag adjust dahil gawa mo sana iba ang mag perma,5years ako sa construction field as cad yun tipo parang inisip nila ka nila ka level pero tiniis ko yun dahil alam ko sa sarili ko kaya ko mag level sa kanila pero isang araw nagkasagutan kami ng isa kasamahan ko nlaman kasi nya na wla akong PRC license kahit tama man aq sa decision ko sa pag implement ng trabaho sa site pero mali parin ako dahil sinumbat nya sa akin hindi ako license wla ako magawa kundi tanggapin kung ano meron lang sa akin, yun ang reason kung bakit nag pursige ako mag. Aral ulit kahit labag sa aking kalooban pinilit ko para hindi masayang ang field ko sa engineering i take i take second course which is electrical engineering nag additional ako ng 2years sa awa ng panginoon natapos ko rin, at board passer na mahirap man isipin binaliwala ang computer engineering pero wala tayo magawa tanggapin natin dahil reality talaga trabaho sa pinas license ang katapat.,isa lang sana mapayo ko sa mga student dont take a course that has no licensure exam dahil mahirap na ngayon sa panahon competent ang labanan. Dapat kasi may support ang government dito sa atin sa pinas dahil kawawa yun iba course na walang board exam hirap mag apply lalo na wla kapit sa company yan ang reality dito sa pinas. Isa man ako computer engineering graduate ang maipayo ko wag na kayo kumuha sa course na yan mas marami maghirap pa kung ipipilit nya ngayon hindi man kayo magsisi pero balang araw maranasan nyo yan, dahil dyan na ako buti nlang naagapan ko pa mag second course . Wag nyo nlang intindihin yun comment kung para sa inyo mali ako opinion ko kasi yan, at experience ko sa real world.
I think hndi yung licensure exam ang rason para matawag na engr. It should be your job. Comscie graduate na nagwowork as network engr, they are network engrs kasi yun yung spot na nakuha nila. My point is that, dala nalang siguro ng ego yung pagtawag natin sa sarili natin bilang engr kasi nga we desserve recognition, right? Kung gagawing excuse yung “naghirap ako sa licensure exam, i desserve it” , malamang basic requirement yan sa upcomming job mo. Kinuha mo yun para sa trabaho mo, hndi para sa title mo. Para naman sa mga CpE, its not the degree itself that will make you a true engr, its job, network engr, software engr, dropbox engr etc. and karamihin jan you need to pass the technical exam para makapasok sa mga position na yan, unlike sa ibang engrs na may license, lapag lang license pwede na kasi nga tapos na nila i prove yung knowledge nila.
Conclussion:
CpE shouldnt be using engr title if they are not acting as an engr. Versatile kasi ang CpE wherein they can be a data analyst instead.
My husband is a CoE graduate, ITIL certified and currently working as a NOC Engineer in a company based in NYC. He’s been practicing his profession for 13 years now and yet he’s not using Engr. before his name. I asked him why, he just said “he’s not entitled to use it even if he is practicing his profession”. Because of that, I admire him more (very humble person). He told me, the title is only earned by taking exam as he saw how my cousins been through hell to pass the ME licensure exam. And even they did passed, they still didn’t used the title. I think its not about the title, it’s about the attitude sirs. Just sharing! Peace 😊
There are professions that do not require board exams and CoE is one of them. They can be addressed as Engrs, too, esp if the law governing their profession says so. Being an Engg student is difficult much more if you are struggling to pass the major subjects. Fellow Engrs, (am a CE and a GE), let’s respect their profession and give them the title due to them.
en·gi·neer
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noun
1.
a person who designs, builds, or maintains engines, machines, or public works.
synonyms: designer, planner, builder, architect, producer, fabricator, developer, creator; More
verb
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design and build (a machine or structure).
“the men who engineered the tunnel”
NO PRC WORD… FYI.
This type of thinking is just common to fresh graduates or title hungry, bragging individual. As a pioneering graduate of CoE myself and with experience in the field since forever, it doesnt matter when you really are on the job! What young CoE guns need to work on, if you really wants to push the boundaries of your career, get the titles, industry recognized titles and certification and not by a government (ITIL is an exclusion 😁). Dont feel bad. I have worked with a lot of people already in the tech industry and with direct reports in all fields in the engineering world, even with their health and medical titles. I dont sign their sheet with Engr on their name or mine. Trust me, it doesnt matter! Work on that technical certifications and you will go places.
AGREE! Engr.
BSCpE AdU alumni batch 2017
It is a norm in our country (The Philippines) and already an attitude of most of us (The Filipino) to be righteous over other thoughts, it is a cancer that has no cure because they are raised to fight for their intelligent ideas and complaint for the difficulties they are dealing with, they dont care about other feelings but on their own stupidity…my point is, dont waste your time and effort of explanation to those people who are already correct according to their reasoning, you dont have the chance to win their arguments because they already had judgement, just share your thoughts and leave their comments to die without reply…your thoughts of using the title “ENGR.” for the sake of respect is good but whether it is there in your name or not, if other people have grown without the sense of respect to other it is still no use.
During our college years as COE we where also thought about subjects relating to Mechanical, Civil, Electrical and others, compare to other course does this made us less recognizable than you. For me I do have basic knowledge about mechanics and other engineering. If I ask other related course do you know at least basic programming and how to integrate it with hardwares? Reality some of you only knew how to use the APPS and software you used that we provide…
It’s very desrespectful for others here to prove that we can’t used Engr. b4 our name just because we dont have jurisdiction from PRC. Kung bigyan lang kami ng chance na mka take ng board from other courses that will give us the eligibility gagawin namin kasi alam namin kung saan aabut ang utak namin pagdating sa engineering. Don’t us.
in addition, all fields of engineering must not also under estimate our profession considering that they are also enjoying the advancement of technology (APPS and other technological innovations) in their chosen fields of which are i think the product of what Computer Engineers had made..appreciating also the knowledge from all other Eng’g. fields, since our discipline cannot work well also if not for the collaboration of the other fields..
Excellent comment. Thanks for visiting this website.
Im using CpE before my name instead of Engr. 1st work ko sa Kingdom of Saudi arabia as Document Controller Supervisor and working together with CE, EE and ME, reason why they need a licensed to their profession po kase its about life and death. Pwedeng mawalan sila ng title pag nagkaron ng failure yung mga na build nila. Walang problema sa pag gamit ng Engr pero mas ginagamit ko yung CpEngr.
I suggest I lapit ang concern sa Computer Engineering Society; let have discuss and have amendment para mai pasa sa congress as BIll or R.A. para legal..Any comment from the society?
…As i remembered way back 1998, as a pioneering graduate of B.S. in Computer Engineering, “Engr.” was already addressed to us when we are called to receive our diploma. Since it was practiced way back then and until now, i think it is ok to add “Engr.” on our our names. But to really claim as to the value or worth of earning such title, we just need to add up additional certifications just to prove that we are really into practicing our profession. And to earn professional illegibility from the CSC, we just need to take Civil Service Exams since our course doesn’t requires a PRC board exam. Bearing the title “Engr.” does not guarantee our professionalism. Our character and how we deal with others matters most in becoming a true ENGR…
That is very much correct. Welcome to this website.
There are professions that do not require board exams and CoE is one of them. They can be addressed as Engrs, too, esp if the law governing their profession says so. Being an Engg student is difficult much more if you are struggling to pass the major subjects. Fellow Engrs, (am a CE and a GE), let’s respect their profession and give them the title due to them.
he will not answer the question Engr. Oganiza, as it is just a shame to him
Bat mo ipagpipilitan kung hindi naman kayo recognized? Hindi kayo recognized kasi wala at hindi standardized yung practice ng computer engineering, and I know you know why well if you don’t at least have an idea, these days ang bilis mag update ng technology fast paced, hindi mahahabol kahit gawan pa kayo ng certain standard mahihirapan ang body na hahawak ng administration at ruling nito what’s even worst than that napphase out yung old trend ( hindi ma overwrite minsan sa current trend examples yung mga video games noong early 2000’s try mo i run sa current pc/laptops na updated sa windows 10 hindi yan mg rrun normally not unless mg youtube ka at mg type ng “how to fix installation error? ” “why i can’t run prototype 2 in my windows laptop?” and thanks to that you are able to do so. Gets mo point ko? While on the otherhand, yung standards ng ibang engineering principles for example civil, building code, structural code, ung exterior at interior designing etc, nagbabago ka may revision totoo however unlike sa sinasbi ko example regarding sa computer engineering (specifically sa programming) kahit mabago ung code ng shall we say 2006 tapos pgka 2009 iniba, magagamit mo pa rin yung code na yun sa current timeline so long sumunod ka sa listing and all provisions provided ng code na yun for example ung design ng bahay mo is 2006 pa tapos yung current year natin is 2019 right, the point is made kahit 2019 na and yung design ng bahay mo is 2006 pa still nagagamit mo pa rin until now same as true sa future construction kung gagawa ka ng 2006 design at the time of 2019 okay lang kung gusto mo. Sana nagets mo punto ko. Mali yung gagawa gawa ka ng article sa website mo encouraging other individuals na gayahin ka hindi tama yun kami ngang recognized na engineering profession so long hindi kami pumapasa sa board exam hindi namin pwede gamitin ung title at hindi kami pwde mkapag design and sign ng plans under our names tapos ikaw computer engineering graduate hindi recognized at walang standardization na sinusunod gagamitin mo na lang basta basta yung title? Aba hindi pwede pre pinaghirapan namin makuha yung title tapos ikaw gusto instant tapos mashado kang butthurt sa word na “hindi recognized” degrading daw what? Totoo naman hindi kayo recognized. I strongly disagree sir.
Thank you for this kind words sir. Chill ka lang sir kung hindi ko napublish kaagad at may event din ako. Fair tayo dito, as website admin, you should at least disclaimer page of this website. Anyways, I encourage lahat ng profession na mag comment dito para malaman lahat ng side nila.
Saka sir, sa totoo lang, kung unfair lang ako, di ko ipa publish to, good boy tayo e 😀
I can see that you feel you are attacked. I can’t understand why though.
I don’t put that title before my name, I just don’t care but if they want to use the title, why not? Unless there are laws that prohibit that, why limit them?
I agree that technology is evolving fast and maybe that is the reason why computer engineering doesn’t have a board exam. But even old computer languages are still used today, for example C, assembly and others. I don’t see the point of your analogy that when the building code changes, the house built in 2006 can still be used in 2019 since it is the same with programs. For example, the program written in the year 2000, can still be used today if you want. If you go to a semiconductor factory, you can see old machines running with very old computers, some of those even use microprocessors that was programmed maybe before the year 2000. Maybe it is worse than today but same for a house, right?
Wow, just wow. If this is true then I think I can use Engr before my name. I took my degree in CpE for 7 years. A lot of failed grades. Mahirap sya, di basta basta. (O tlagang bulakbol lang ako? Hahaha) Now I worked as a CSR and planning to shift career in teaching. Nakapasa ako sa UST for Teacher Certificate Program. Hopefully makapagturo, tapos MA then qng title ko nun Prof. Engr.? Hahaha salamat sa inpirasyon Engr. Oganiza. Salute and respect. Godbless.
Same path pala tayo, Engr. Erickson. CSR din ako ngayon pero planning to change work na soon..
It is great to know atleast something about this. As I am a freshmen for BSCpE. Atleast i do have a little idea for this type of misconception towards the profession we are taking. But also i think as a part of an engineering profession our government should look out to the people who are taking a type of profession just like BSCpE, that they should consider this professions to be the same as the level of other engineering professions. Kahit ako naman ay magagalit talaga kung hindi rin naman pala ganun ang treatment sakin kahit na pinaghirapan ko ang profession na pinili ko. At lalo na ang profession na ito pinakikinabangan naman din ng ating government. Sana naman dingin nila ang mga profession na inilalagay nila sa mga colleges at bigyan nang tamang parangal. Kasi lahat naman ng kurso ay pinaghihirapan naman diba pwera nalang kung mayaman ka tas binabayaran mo ang school mo just to pass. But that’s another story. Still thank you for some great information. God speed bro
Sa Resume ganito nakalagay sa name ng:
CoE : Engr. Juan dela Cruz
PRC Licensed engineers:
CE : Juan dela Cruz, CE
EE: Juan dela Cruz, REE
ME: Juan dela Cruz, ME
Pag nagpapakilala naman:
CoE : I am Engr. Juan dela Cruz
CE : I am Juan dela Cruz, licensed Civil Engineer
ME : I am Juan dela Cruz, Mechanical Engineer
CoE po talaga ang naglalagay ng title sa unahan ng name…
Kasi ang mga PRC licensed engineers ay hindi uhaw sa title na Engr.
Reality lang po wala gusto i-offend.
Thanks for dropping by!
Actually here in Philippines mga CoE naman talaga ang laging naglalagay ng Engr. sa unahan ng pangalan nila eh pero yung mga tunay na dumaan sa regulation ng PRC or mga PRC licensed na CE,ME, EE, ECE, & ChE hindi naman. Nahihiya pa nga maglagay ang mga ito eh…. yan po ang reality, halos lahat ng CoE graduate na co-worker ko ganun.
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@Rex not all. What is true on your experience doesn’t mean it’s true to all. I graduated computer engineering 5 yrs ago, when I first work as an planning analyst. My manager(Electrical Engr) one time told me to put “Engr.:” Every time I make a planning schedule. I do it for that moment to comply to his order but eventually put my name alone instead. As far as I know all my classmates and computer engineer friends but use the Title Engr. before their names.
As far as I know all my classmates and computer engineer friends *don’t use the Title Engr. before their names
Nice one… All that matter is attitude, quality of work and professionalism.
Salute to us COE…
Very good information. Thank you!
I am an Industrial Engineering student. Do I also have the privilege of putting Engr before my name after I graduate?
I think you have certification boards. Depends on your constitution. Seek assistance to Philippine Institute of Industrial Engineers (PIEE)
Ahmm. I somehow disagree. I agree to the fact that since the prefix “Engr” is not regulated by law, legally everyone can use it, even more so if you have a degree with “engineering” on it – but in reality, these prefixes are only rampant in our country, because we put a premium over such professionals as “Engineers, lawyers, architect etc..” In reality – Filipinos treat these as better than other professions and so, even if not technically required and with minimum to zero value added, we pride ourselves and as much as possible use these titles. In other countries, only Doctors are called in public and addressed as such, only because of the inherent practicality so if you heard someone calling another as a “doctor” and an accident happen – you know who to run to.
You hope you wont take my comment negatively 🙁 I am sincerly happy that you encourage everybody else – but the reality that our country and people loves to brag about these and we love to in turn worship these professions, exists and is ever pervasive.
Thanks just my two cents 🙂
Edz
BS Development Communication
Your comment is very much appreciated. Thanks for dropping by. I am not into the title, yet, on our part, we feel undervalued by you “them”. So I decided to just express my emotions. Hoping for more comments like yours.
20 years ago I graduated in B.S. Industrial Engineering. I.E. stands for Instant Engineers at that time. Ewan ko lang ngayon meron na atang certification. But anyways practiced IE for 4 years then pursued my childhood dream. To become a teacher. Took educ units and passed the board exam. Teachers never had titles like other profession. But a couple of years ago nagkaroon. We can affix Lpt at the end of our names. I never used it for some reason, may be because its just a title for me. And as for people who look down at me as teacher ka lang, oh well deadma sa bashers. Because i know my worth 😉 and my students can attest to that 😁
I agree. I don’t see the value of putting Engr. in front of a name or being called engineer by other people. You won’t hear people call Jeff Bezos, CEO Jeff Bezos; or Elon Musk, CEO Elon Musk.
I think the prefix is just for their own ego.
Oscar, don’t take me wrong man. I graduated with a degree in computer engineering in the Philippines. Serving some business owners as their go to developer here in Japan. I think if you want to put Engr. before you name, go for it. I just don’t care about the Engr. tag.
same path tayo Engr, im currently working sa government as admin aide for 4 yrs and marami ngsasabi na bakit wla dw engr name ko eh tapos naman ako ng engr’g, goodthing sa mga kasama ko na licensed engrs eh d nman nila ako dinidiscriminate sa pag gamit ko ng engr sa name ko, dapat lng dw kc i finished it naman, un lng eh sna makakuha ng work related sa course ntin kc 4 yrs nko nagaayos ng admin papers dto, haha, pampanga pla ako btw, san ka nagapply dto?
I applied for a job as network engineer sir, kaso wala po akong CCNA that time so hindi din ako natanggap. You should get Civil Service exam for promotion.
We are not “degrading” you. Many of us believe that it is very inappropriate to use a title simple because you finished the degree, isn’t degrading on the part of those licensed professional to use their title by someone not even recognized by the national government??? If you want to use the title ask the PRC to give you an examination like the EE, CE, etc.
I think sir, it is appropriate for us to do so because we are outside the jurisdiction of the PRC. Also, I think you are degrading us by simply saying that we are not recognized by the national government. Think twice.
The degree itself is recognized, what we are dealing is the title, it is something like an ‘instant noodles’,…..instant engineer???. I have seen many of my friends go thru a lot just to get their title, and just by simply finishing an engineering program in computer is enough to give you guys a title?? Think thrice
Is there any law prohibiting computer engineers not to use one? Think more.
NONE, But there is no Law/CMO/Directive that allows you to make use of a title either. The idea of posting this kind of argument like yours is that, you guys are so eager to make use of a title and trying to collect info/ideas to support you claims. Just get yourself a degree that really entitles you of something.
Thanks for dropping by.
And do you think, undertaking computer engineering course is simple? Nah.
Are you an engineer sir? Of what profession?
I don’t see the point of this young man bragging about that matter, call yourself an engineer, all of us are who had an engineering degree but the usage of the title “Engr.” is a different matter, as far as legality is concern you don’t have the right to use that title in any legal documents, publications simply because the law dictates, under PRC all engineering principles are mandated to have their respective board exams to fully have the rights and privilege in practicing their respective profession. Why? Because of Standardization, without standardization it is unsafe to practice any profession now I don’t know why but one thing im sure of bakit hindi kayo recognized or shall i say hindi standardized yung practice ng computer engineering, kasi hindi mastandardized sa bilis ng technology ngayon ang bilis mgbago ng trend hindi mahabol imagine every year papalit2 kayo ng standard code, that impractical and honestly hindi naman kailangan wala namang hazard sa profession nyo unlike let say civil engineering imagine walang building code at scope and limitations design lang ng design yung engineer you know what will happen next. Im so sorry I cannot angry sa pinupunto mo at ng eencourage ka pa sa iba na gawin yun hindi tama yun. Mashado kang butthurt at sinasabi mong degraded kayo pg sinasabing hindi kayo recognized ng PRC, totoo naman hindi naman talaga. Alam mo brad yung kapatid Computer Science graduate nagttrabaho sa saudi as Software Engineer, gets mo? Na eearn yan brad walang instant kahit kami pgkagrad namin di kami ng claim agad na engineer na kami saka pa lang nung pumasa kami ng board at yung board exam na yun pinaghirapan namin para maearn yung title na Engr at ilagay sa pangalan tapos ikaw gusto mo instant? Hanap ka nalang ng trabaho na magagamit pagka computer engineer mas maganda yun. Thanks.
Thank you for this excellent comment, more to come.
I agree with you about the legal stuff if the law dictates that.
I don’t agree with this though. “honestly hindi naman kailangan wala namang hazard sa profession nyo unlike let say civil engineering”
– Imagine this scenario, a computer engineering graduate developed a tool for civil engineers to make their work easier. Maybe something for computations. At first, the tool works great. After some time many civil engineers are using that tool. Then the computer engineering graduate accidentally changed some code and it affected the computation to be wrong. Since the civil engineers are using that tool, their computations for the houses/buildings they make will not be accurate and would make their houses/building collapse.
Isn’t that hazardous?
– Another scenario. The computer engineering graduate developed a virus that can manipulate a bank’s/army’s/the pentagon’s/government’s server.
– I think this is more hazardous than a house collapsing because the building code was not followed.
PRC can’t provide an examination for CPEs due to fast changing technology. Imagine sa loob ng isang taon madaming pagbabago agad sa technology, for example sa Civil Engineering kahit ilang decade pa lumipas di naman nagbabago mga formulas, same questions sa board exams. Unlike CPE na naka based sa current technologies, kaya nga certifications lang ang meron sa CPE.
Do I still have the right to use the Engr. title even if, for the rest of my life, I may end up with another profession other than that related to computer engineering?
It’s up to you.
Thank you!
Same dilemma… But I like the thought.
Shocks! Kuddos to you Engr. haha Same tayo. haha I had a failing grade but still I had awards before I finished my engineering course, “Researcher of the Year award for our Thesis, and a lot more.” Goodluck Engr. to your career. And Yes, we are all qualified to use the Engr. Term before our name.
Thanks Engr. Alcoba. Good luck to your career also
Computer Engineering is not covered under the PRC regulated engineering courses, but again it is our right that PRC issued licensed to the graduate of such engineering course even though we are not regulated.
They issued licensed to aeronautic engineering even though it is not also a regulated engineering course.
I think ICpEP should handle this case properly. Thank you for your informative comment.
Thanks for casting away my doubt. When i became a qualified freshman BSCpE student in the University I’ve enrolled. I’ve always ask myself, what would be my future if I finish this degree. I’ve always wondered to back out from this course. But hey, thanks for the post it enlightens me😊😊
It is my pleasure! Thanks for dropping by.
Nicely said bro. I will always do that from now on whenever i sign a contract or whatsoever.
Of course! It’s a must!
binigyan mo kami ng reason Engr. to add “engr.” before our name..
-Mau of RBIS Team
You must Engr. Mau. Anyways, I am in-charge of RBIS updating in our city. We could meet some other time. Thanks for visiting!